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s Greatcompanionkennels s b Www ca NFC s Great searchf my sense that the horse surely does NOT think we are other horses, so why would we think that trying to “communicate” with them using “their language” would come even close to working. The same holds true here. I am quite certain now that dogs, horses, guinea pigs, birds…no other animal thinks we are the same species as them, so appeals to using “their language” are baseless.
As for those that come in the store, I have only seconds to say something so it is usually “please don’t do that – it’s a good way to get bitten.”
In my opinion, the argue shouldn’t rely if Cesar Millan’s metohds are based on “Scientific Studies” or not! As a researcher, I must say that many of our “inventions” came from empirism, sometimes from a feeling, not only from an academic approuch.
Yes, I could not agree more when people say that we can train our dogs without harming them! But the question is what is really harmfull for a dog? Is that harmfull for all dogs? Is it ok to raise a dog (or anything) without limits? Are we, human adults, able for doing everything we want to? I’d like to receive answers to these questions… I think they must be in role, instead of dealing this subject personaly!
That’s some things we must consider: with CM’s Dog Whisperer TV Show, the numbers of pet owners who decided to take care of their pets increased a lot (in Brazil we have a similar program called Dr. Pet and the trainner uses positive reinforcment), we have to consider the fact that CM controls a numerous pack and that he gets a confident energy and posture!
In fact, we have a nice arguing here!
his training is like crap.
“oh u wanna be the pack leader.” whats that all about? plus it’s not all about being domonint over your dog. he also uses the alpha roll. it doesnt even help. it just makes the problem worse because it makes an insecue dog feel even more insecue. in fact it makes the dog fear its owner. when he deals with aggresive dogs why does he let the dog strike then tell it off with a leash jerk or the alpa roll. shouldnt u prevent the dog from striking instead of letting the dog strike? cause thats how u fix the problem. if u want training advice follow victoria stilwell, cause she trains positively. “instead of your dog fearing you, your dog’s respecting you,” she said in the dog days of summer episode.
As far as the “BIG CHAIN STORE” training goes I wish someone would compile some data/stats on the number of dogs that fair poorlly from the attempts at using a one size fits all approach. I know for a fact that often the training methods that are used DO NOT WORK…
I bet if you do some research and check out a half dozen of the big dog chat sites you will read testimonies to this effect that will keep you busy for years to come.
So much for absolutes and agendas
cheers
Each dog is different and different techniques are required. I adopted 2 older dogs from a Dachshund rescue and each had different issues. Cesar’s methods worked for both…. one using his more gentle methods and the other his more dominate methods. My oldest dog had NEVER been socialized, bit anyone who came close, and was uncontrollable. He now interacts well with other dogs and greets visitors gently (after looking at me to see how I’m reacting). All this because of the methods I learned from Mr. Milan. I have NEVER hit or punished him, but rewarded correct behavior and redirected inappropriate behavior. He is a loving and fun dog now. The other weiner was almost completely opposite. He was extremely shy, cowered, and was starved for attention (also literally starved!). He had NO confidence and was miserable. He now greets people happily, holds his own with other dogs in an acceptable manner, and is happy and confident. Both dogs look to me and my husband for leadership and direction. My heartfelt thanks go out to Cesar Milan. Like I said at the beginning; each dog is different and different methods are required. His warnings not to use the methods without professional help are self explainatory. Be educated and use common sense when dealing with your pets. No one method is the “right” one. While I’m sure your methods work for you… his methods work for me.
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I’ll make an attempt to explain the differences between the methods and add my own, personal, commentary on the subject. I’m doing do as a professional dog trainer who has used methods similar to Cesar’s since the early 1980s (well before I knew he existed). I was also very much in the dog training realm when the “new and improved” methods were first introduced to dog owners. I actually learned about the methods before they were applied to dogs. My first job out of college put me in contact with the head dolphin trainer at Brookfield Zoo near Chicago. I visited with the dolphins on several occasions and he explained the methods that they used for their aquatic mammal training program (which become “click treat” when applied to dogs).
I don’t want to speak for Cesar, so I won’t refer to “Cesar’s method”. I don’t want to speak for the lady on “It’s me or the dog”, especially since her methods are not “ALL positive” or “only click-treat”, but she certainly has a prevailing strategy that falls into the “new age” methodologies. So, I will refer to the two methods as “correction for compliance” or “incentive + ignore”. I know that neither titles are perfect for describing the methods, but I needed to separate them the best that I could.
The two basic premises of the “Incentive + Ignore” method are “offer incentives” for desired behaviors and “ignore bad behavior” and it will go away. The folks who use these methods use “scientific research” to make you think that they have some new-found data to support their dog training strategies. I will simply say that most of those folks are not scientist themselves, and their ability to interpret data is, at times, a bit off kilter, in my opinion. I say that as a scientist, myself; a person who has a degree in science and worked in the field (designing and statistically interpreting experiments in a highly reviewed field) for over twenty years. But, I also speak as a dog expert who does not rely on science to train dogs because training dogs is more an art as it is a science. The “new age” folks will criticize Cesar because he isn’t a scientist and doesn’t have a degree. I’m here to say, as a scientist, that you don’t need a degree to train dogs. You need skills (both innate and learned through experience). Some people are just good at training dogs in the same way that some people are just very good at playing the piano. There is an innate aptitude that enhances learned skills that are acquired through experience. Cesar obviously has an innate ability, which could also be called a gift.
Incentives work for any animal. However, the method leaves the decision about whether the behavior will be presented wholly to the animal (and how much value the incentive has over the animal at any given time). So, it ignores one of the most profound and intriguing elements of domestic dog – the fact that it is not just *any* species. It is a species designed by man, in man’s image, with a keen genetic-based desire to subordinate to a human authority figure – which is derived from their wolf ancestor’s genetic based need to subordinate to a wolf authority figure.
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